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Can someone tell me what they think the best News source is ?         News Papers, etc.  Thanks

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Janet,

I can't pick one source. I read the newspapers, online editorials, listen to talk radio, listen to T.V. newscasts (lib and conservative), and you may laugh, but I surf the Twitter site. You would be surprised the up to date info I get on Twitter. Again, I check out both sides of an issue. Rarely do I agree with Lib views but occasionally I find I do. I believe in being well informed. I don't see how we can vote responsibly if we don't seek the truth. I also do my research of each candidate and their voting records, watch videos of past speeches and interviews, etc.

LBJ,
I actually do the same but sometimes I get criticized if I use any of it for a reference.............I am still looking at Santorum as a second place to Ron Paul............I am with you on checking out all candidates and I won't stop until the election..........Like I have said before, I am NOT related to any of these guys and if their is something about them I don't like I will not stick up for them at the voting booth.....
 
Like you I will NOT support anyone from CFR or any connection with it...............Some would NOT vote for them either if they even knew what the CFR was !  I can't believe how many don't know about this group and what they stand for ?
I just found this on line. Check it out and let me know what you think ?

JBL,

I wouldn't laugh at anything except an "unwilingness" to even look. Most people don't want to look because if their mind was to change they would have to admit they were wrong in the first place and no one likes to do that !...........On the other hand, if they don't make up their mind until all resorces have been exhusted no one would have to go through that "foot in mouth" disease :-)

I'm still looking for ANY information I can get...............I ONLY ask that folks be kind about it !

I have to admit I go on Facebook and listen and watch all the information going around...........I have discovered LOTS of info on that site.............These are for the most part people I don't know so there is none of this "friend" thing that you feel you HAVE to listen to. It's just information and the source in videos, articles etc.

I DO NOT TWITTER............I do about everything else though.............. 

I don't go to FB sites and post as a rule. My FB is in my real name and don't want people looking me up. I do have everything set to private except for family and close friends but I just don't trust FB. I do blog as much as possible on public blogs but there again I don't have to use my real name. I guess I am a little paranoid. LOL

I do understand how you feel about the hatefulness some people have for people who differ from their opinion. I have been attacked for my conservative views on many blogs, even on my hometown newspaper letters to the editor. It is not called for in my opinion. I try to be respectful of other's opinions even if I don't agree. I think the negative attacks only prove the immaturity of the attacker. If name calling is the only resort to defending your opinion, well then, I suspect the authors don't have any evidence to back up their opinions and certainly will not cause me to take them seriously.

Like you, I believe debate is healthy and if we can keep an open mind, we may very well learn something from one another. I don't think our founding fathers agreed on everything, but were able to work together for a strong America.

I watched a CNN video of an interview with Ron Paul tonight. At the end of the interview, he was asked if he didn't win the nomination and since the Republican Convention rules have been changed for this year, no winner take all of the delegates, would he be at the convention to use his delegate power to get some of his ideas on the Republican platform. Paul said he would. Now, I think this is very wise of him as I do agree with his stand on some issues. To me, this is what it is all about when it comes to working together for the good of our nation.

The Drudge Report and INFOWARS.COM are the most trusted news sources for free thinkers out there. Mike Rivero also does a great job over at www.whatreallyhappened.com

Janet,

I have researched to the best of my ability of the mentioned voting records for Rick Santorum by checking out each individual bill text.

First, let me say Brian Frank, the article’s author, is a die-hard supporter of Ron Paul and not an unbiased author (I did my research on him too). He offers no explanation of the votes cast and only lists them as negatives of Santorum.  He leaves the reader believing Santorum was a vicious congressman.  Frank gives no explanations, just notes them for the lazy reader to interpret why maybe Santorum voted the way he did.  It takes a lot time to research the bills and they are not easy to understand.  So Paul's hoping people will make negative assumptions and he's probably right.  I don't happen to be one of them.  I really hate this kind of politics,  throwing out negatives with half truths and this is exactly what Paul and his Pac are doing.  Frank also supports this by noting the “CREW” opinion. Again without any back-up support. “CREW is a left wing organization that puts out a list every election of the top Republicans in tough races and calls them all corrupt because they take contributions from PACs. CREW even listed in their "Crooked Candidates" list that included Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Allen West (R-FL)” …..Santorum. This could be farther from the truth.

In my research of the bills, I found most of his votes were to my own personal agreement and I believe you would also agree. I am not going to list all of my points here. If you or anyone really want to know the truth, your own research should be done.

Santorum without a doubt is a strong Pro-Life and 2nd amendment advocate. To suggest otherwise is dishonest. Also, one commenter posted on the site a video by “Young Turk” which is absolutely disgusting and lacks any proof and offers only innuendo. Fact less slurs and character attacks really boil my skin.

As you know, bills contain add on that make voting extremely difficult. Decisions have to be made on which add on makes a bill a Yea or Nay vote. I think if you do your research of each bill you will find the reasons for Santorum’s vote reasonable.

I did find a couple of his votes to go against my own beliefs. Namely, the CAFTA vote and the “Child Left Behind” vote.

CAFTA:

Pennsylvania processes "a fair amount of sugar" and Hershey Foods is in Pennsylvania. Santorum’s explanation for voting for CAFTA "The fact we do not have a market price for sugar costs us jobs every day. We simply can't compete," he said. Santorum said food companies are shifting jobs to Mexico and other countries to take advantage of lower sugar prices. The American Sugar Alliance has said Mexican sugar prices are actually higher than U.S. prices -- 28 cents a pound in Mexico compared to 23 cents a pound in the U.S. -- and companies are moving to save. . . costs us jobs every day in Pennsylvania," said Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who favors passage of CAFTA and notes that his state is the home of Hershey's, the candy maker. "It's not fair to my state to continue this monopoly."

It seems there was a trade off for American industry, sugar for textile industry. I understand Santorum’s protectionism of PA jobs but it was nevertheless wrong to vote for CAFTA.

Child Left Behind: Santorum addressed this on a tele-town hall for tea party members. He said it was something he was not a fan of and that he had some real concerns. It did have some things that were good, and he voted for it, but he admitted it was a mistake. He stated, "Looking back, I should have known better. I didn't listen to my better principles. One of the first orders of business will be to repeal it and the funding for it." I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with this one. There is not one perfect candidate and I am not looking for purism. I do want a candidate willing to admit to mistakes and doesn’t try to skew a mistake into his advantage. I want the truth.

Finally, the vote for Medicare Prescription Plan (Part D). Santorum admits the Republicans made two mistakes with the Prescription Drug Plan. First, they made it universal, when in reality only 15% of seniors needed it. He spoke out against that and lost. Second, they approved it without funding it, but funding was not an option on the table at the time of voting. The Republicans had plans for a program that was substantially less money than the Democrat program. They also included substantial reforms for Medicare as well as Health Savings Plans in this bill. I know many seniors who are those 15% who need Part D and are thankful for his vote. It is a falsehood that Seniors who use Part D take government hand-outs for their medications. They pay a premium like you do with health insurance. Yes, they should have had a way to pay for the supplements of Part D. That is a fact. But to have not voted for it would put many Seniors in dire straights today.



Janet Blazen said:

LBJ,
I actually do the same but sometimes I get criticized if I use any of it for a reference.............I am still looking at Santorum as a second place to Ron Paul............I am with you on checking out all candidates and I won't stop until the election..........Like I have said before, I am NOT related to any of these guys and if their is something about them I don't like I will not stick up for them at the voting booth.....
 
Like you I will NOT support anyone from CFR or any connection with it...............Some would NOT vote for them either if they even knew what the CFR was !  I can't believe how many don't know about this group and what they stand for ?
I just found this on line. Check it out and let me know what you think ?

LBJ,

I have NOT been able to find any other voting records on Santorum but the ones I posted...........If you could please forward what you have found to the rest of us I would appreciate it..........As I would love to see them.........As you said, I probably would not agree with all of them but would like to see how many I would agree with...........I had found others, but I didn't post them BECAUSE they were from a Ron Paul supporter and I didn't want them biased in any way...........I was un-aware that the ones I posted were involved with R P.

Thanks

Janet,

If you go to the link you posted, there are links to each of bills.  It takes some time to read through the text of the bills to try and see why Santorum may have voted the way he did.  I also, googled each bill with Santorum's name to see if I could find his explanation.  I found a couple but for the most part, I had to use my own reasoning.  I am sorry but I didn't bookmark the links.  What I posted earlier is what Santorum had to say about the votes.  I did check out each bill and read synopis of the bill by Vote Check.  Its very tough reading to read the entire text of each bill.  I did for a few but ran out of time.  I felt Vote Check is dependable and gave me enough detail.

I believe you were unaware of the R. Paul connection to the article you posted.  I guess I am suspicious by nature and do fact checking before I believe what I read.  Most of the time I can find counter answers to negatives for any of the candidates.  All candidates seem to throw out half truths.  As a voter we must not settle for one side of any issue. 

JLB,

It's very suspicious to me that it is sooo hard to find this information..............It should be RIGHT THERE so that "WE THE PEOPLE" Can find it............Nothing is Transparent !! LOL

What do you think ?

Hi Janet,

LOL I agree. But I do know you can find the voting records for senators and congressmen on the government website. I have to find my link and browse it again. I think you can even link from the voting record to the bill text. I can't remember now how it works for sure. I do know I was able to watch the update of new bills on the sites. I will try to do some searching and see what I can come up with again and get back to you. I would like to know also how Ron Paul has voted and what bills he has sponsored. Hard to know much about Romney or Perry when it comes to voting records. Newt is pretty much out there already.

It becomes so confusing who should get our vote. Everyone has some negatives. I just pray for our country and for ultimately God's decision who we have as our POTUS. Sometimes, like with Obama, I do question why we get who we get. LOL But if we look to the past, we can see how each POTUS was in place at the right time in history to fulfill a purpose.

Hope I live long enough to see the purpose for Obama. LOL

Brent,

I like the Drudge Report also.  Another good and truthful website is theblaze.com

Brent Richman said:

The Drudge Report and INFOWARS.COM are the most trusted news sources for free thinkers out there. Mike Rivero also does a great job over at www.whatreallyhappened.com

Hi Janet,

You an I have different first choices, but it appears we have the same second choice.
 
Janet Blazen said:

LBJ,
I actually do the same but sometimes I get criticized if I use any of it for a reference.............I am still looking at Santorum as a second place to Ron Paul............I am with you on checking out all candidates and I won't stop until the election..........Like I have said before, I am NOT related to any of these guys and if their is something about them I don't like I will not stick up for them at the voting booth.....
 
Like you I will NOT support anyone from CFR or any connection with it...............Some would NOT vote for them either if they even knew what the CFR was !  I can't believe how many don't know about this group and what they stand for ?
I just found this on line. Check it out and let me know what you think ?

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