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Comment by Todd Erb on September 13, 2012 at 3:28pm Obama: Substance Abusers Can’t Own Firearms
One way OR another they are getting the guns.
DUI or Drug arrest : Lose your guns !
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The Obama Administration through the Justice Department has given the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) the authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.”
http://www.dailypaul.com/254544/obama-substance-abusers-can-t-own-f...
Or:
http://govtslaves.info/obama-substance-abusers-cant-own-firearms/
Or:
http://occupycorporatism.com/new-attack-on-2nd-amendment-obama-says...
Or:
http://www.infowars.com/new-attack-on-2nd-amendment-obama-says-subs...
Comment by Janet Blazen on September 13, 2012 at 1:24pm We just had another go round with the Co. Commissioners (I believe it was our 9th meeting). So far have only seen "one" Tea Party member there besides the usual group..........Thanks to him for attending.........He knows who he is...................
We need more involvement from the Tea Party and other concerned citizens if we want to make a difference with this law and other un-Constitutional acts................
Last week there were 2 or 3 veterans who spoke about how they went to war to protect and defend our Constitution and our freedoms and they are against the NDAA sections 1021 and 1022. This is NOT what they took an oath to defend !
I thank our soldiers for their service and want to make sure THEY get what THEY fought for.......................Remember they fought for all of us !
Comment by Patricia Petersen on September 13, 2012 at 11:31am We are looking for the county commissioners support to help sway our Michigan legislators to pass the bill . It also reminds them that their job is not only to manage projects for the county but to be vigilant to laws that would harm their constituents.
The sheriff's do not always know about or utilize the power they have .They are elected, but then have to work with employees who are union members who get info from their leaders . Can be a sticky wicket. I believe that they should remember that they are ELECTED and their first priority should be their fellow citizens.
Comment by Jennifer Groves on September 13, 2012 at 11:14am Thanks, Todd. Good news for a change!
Comment by Todd Erb on September 13, 2012 at 7:29am NY Federal Judge Strikes Down ‘Indefinite Detention’ Provision in NDAA
“First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be legislated away,”
“In short, the Court can find no authority in domestic law or the law of war, nor can the government point to any, to justify the concept of ‘support’ as a valid ground for detention,” Forrest wrote.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/federal-judge-strikes-down-indefini...
Comment by Todd Erb on September 12, 2012 at 8:28pm "2016" movie has extended showtimes through next Thursday, the 20th at the Niles (Wonderland) theater with cheap prices.
Comment by albaby on September 12, 2012 at 12:11pm I realize the path that the challenge must take, but what do you hope to accomplish with the county commissioners? I haven''t checked that part about the Sheriff having that authority, but I have no reason to doubt it. If Sheriffs already have that authority, why are you taking up the commissioneers time tellimg them about something they can do nothing about.
Comment by Patricia Petersen on September 10, 2012 at 1:49pm There is legislation in the Michigan legislature, HB 5768 presented by Tom McMillen. There are about eleven Michigan counties working to pass resolutions in support of the bill. We are working to get all of the counties aware and in support of it. Allegan county's BOC did say that they cannot tell the sheriff what to do, however, the county Sheriff has the authority to tell any federal authorities that they will not help the feds to enforce any charges brought against his citizens.
All counties working together would help to get the legislation passed.
Before any cases go to the Supreme Court of the United States, it must first go through a series of courts and only if there has been a judgement against the plaintiff can they take it on up the ladder, or vise versa, the defendents may take it to a higher court until it then reaches the Supreme Court and then only if the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case, for either party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/indefinite-detention-rulin...
"The judge's preliminary injunction prevents the U.S. government from enforcing section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act's "Homeland Battlefield" provisions.
The Manhattan U.S. Attorney's office, which represents the government in this case, along with named defendants Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta filed its notice of appeal with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
The plaintiffs in the case have asked Judge Forrest to make her injunction permanent. Oral argument on the request is scheduled for Tuesday.
In court filings, prosecutors have argued that the law is neither too broad nor overly vague, and that in any event the plaintiffs do not have standing to bring the case."
Even though Obama stated that he thought there may be some unconstitutionality in those sections, he and his office would never use the power anyway. Well, then why are they appealing the judge's injunction? The injunction should actually keep the bill constitutional in everyone's mind, and no future president will be able to use the power either.
Comment by albaby on September 9, 2012 at 8:54pm I believe the constitutonality of that section in question of the NDAA should be tried in the Supreme court and not in the court of public opinion-or isn't that the procedure we follow anymore?
The Federal judge said (caps mine):
In her decision published Wednesday, Forrest, in the Southern District of New York, ruled that Section 1021 of NDAA was FACIALLY unconstitutional — a rare finding — because of the POTENTIAL that it COULD violate the 1st Amendment.
“Plaintiffs have stated a more than plausible claim that the statute inappropriately encroaches on their rights under the First Amendment,” she wrote, addressing the constitutional challenge.
Seven individuals, including Pulitzer Prize-winning former New York Times foreign correspondent Chris Hedges, MIT linguist Noam Chomsky and “Pentagon Papers” activist Daniel Ellsberg, had sued President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and a host of other government officials, stating they were forced to curtail some of their reporting and activist activities for fear of violating Section 1021. That section prohibits providing substantial support for terrorist groups, but gives little definition of what that means. ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS were also poised to join the suit if it expanded.
Now lets take a look at the people that filed the suit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hedges#NDAA_lawsuit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky
He describes his views as "fairly traditional anarchist ones, with origins in the Enlightenment and classical liberalism",[26] and sometimes identifies with anarcho-syndicalism and libertarian socialism.
He became an avid reader of the leftist journal Politics, published by Macdonald from 1944 through to 1949. Although initially adhering to a Marxist viewpoint, in 1946 Macdonald abandoned this approach "to whore after the strange gods of anarchism and pacifism". Chomsky would later remark that Politics "answered to and developed" his interest in anarchism.[48] In his late twenties, Chomsky became a reader of the periodical Living Marxism, which was published in Chicago by Marxist thinker Paul Mattick (1904–1981), a council communist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgitta_J%C3%B3nsd%C3%B3ttir
Birgitta was an active volunteer for Wikileaks and had an important role in the making of the Collateral Murder video, including co-production.
She is one of 3 out of 63 members of the Icelandic parliament and her party revoeved 7.2%m of the 2009 vote.
Comment by Todd Erb on September 9, 2012 at 5:53pm $2.50 admission for the 2016 movie in Niles (Wonderland) last Saturday morning.
Nice price. Cheap concessions. Check showtimes. I went at 11:10am
No dates scheduled after Thursday online, so go quickly.
$2.50 before noon * $4.00, 12:00-5:59pm * $5.00, 6pm+
http://wonderlandcinema.mooretheatres.com/index.cfm?p=movie&id=...
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